What It Is:
As good as injections! Tricide Neo® is a bath treatment made with a convenient packet of crystals. The fish should NOT be dipped for more than five to seven minutes. That's FAST!
What It's Good At:
Tricide Neo® is used to treat koi BODY SORES, MOUTH ROT and FINROT. Generalized 'pink-skin' caused by bacterial infections is also treated. Any superficial bacterial infection can be treated with Tricide Neo® and to a limited extent, the type of bacteria isn't important because of this compounds mode of action.
About five years ago, the Emerging Diseases Research Group at the University of Georgia College of Veterinary Medicine began working on treatments for resistant bacteria, and developed an agent that makes otherwise resistant bacteria susceptible to safer and older antibiotics. The potentiator that has proven effective against the "super" bugs that infect human burns is also effective against the common bacteria associated with topical infections in ornamental koi and goldfish.
|WOW! A 3 to 7 minute dip that does the work of an injection. Fights bacterial ulcers, mouthrot and finrot FAST!|
It's simple. Get a gallon of distilled water. Empty the 1 gallon packet into the gallon jug. Mix well. First, move the fish that needs to be dipped into a well-aerated vat of dechlorinated tap water of the same pH and temperature.
This 'initial rinse' removes excess slime and debris which might contaminate the Tricide Neo® dip.
Make sure your Tricide Neo® solution is roughly the same temperature as the main pond and the rinsing vat. Simply transfer the fish into a suitably sized plastic bag and then pour enough Tricide Neo® into the bag to soak the fish and leave enough for "breathing room", Wait five minutes. Remove the fish to the rinse vat. Then remove the fish to the main pond again.
Some people mix up the solution in distilled water in a Rubbermaid sweater box and dip all the fish in this. The dip is "good" for at least 2 weeks but should be discarded if it "fouls" with Koi mucus or bodily excretions. (Your nose can tell!) (For more details)
|Easyand quick to deploy. Extremely effective. Equally effective withinjections of antibiotics. Stock solution is stable for up to eighteenmonths!|
|Not indicated for systemic bacterial (bloodstream) infections. Not indicated for fungal infections.|
|Q:||I tried Tricide-Neo Ulcer Dip, followed your instructions to the tee but three of my fish died why? When I put them in the solution within in 1 min. they starting bleeding from the gills I took them out right away but they died right after that all my other fish were not affected like that. Can you please tell me what happened. Thankyou|
|A:||How warm was the Dip? Was the dip properly aerated? What symptoms were being treated? Did the fish have other parasites or issues? How "bad" were the fish when they were handled? The reason I ask is some fish are "too far gone".|
In my own personal experience, I've noticed that when I got lazy and tried mixing the Tricide in regular tap water, I had complications . Other times, mixing Tricide Neo with hose water was successful. But between you, me and the fencepost, I'd suggest you never try and skip the Distilled water step. ALWAYS use distilled water, not just bottled or Spring water - it has to be distilled.
Bleeding from the gills when handled is a common "springtime female Koi" thing. It's not from the Tricide but actually from handling and elevations in the fishes' blood pressure and stress from the fish. Why those three fish died later, is a mystery. The manufacturer might have additional ideas. That'd be Vicki@koilab.com
|Q:||Does Tricide-Neo affect Ph? My pond Ph is a rock solid 8.2, and the distilled water starts off being neutral Ph (7.0). I am worried that this dip might drop the Ph even lower which could definitely stress the fish even further. If it does drop the Ph, could I use baking soda to buffer the dip solution? Thanks for trying to answer these questions. Tim Gilbert|
|A:||Tricide Neo is stiffly buffered against shifts in pH as it's tendency is to DROP the pH if you aren't careful to use Distilled water. Now, I use it all the time, as a spray. This avoids the "net pH" effect because I keep the treatments brief and sprayed on. (Les than four minutes total). In your case, I'd use the distilled water, and I would not worry unless the pH of the solution went below neutral, which is easy to test. ~Dr Erik Johnson|
|Q:||The flesh over the right eye of an 8 inch koi has been slowly turning white (should be orange) and receding to expose the top of the eyeball. The affected area is white not red or pink and doesn't look like any ulcer I've seen on other fish before. He is otherwise happy and healthy and eating well. Water parameters are all excellent. I went through the supaverm regimen in the spring but no other chemical treatments in the last six months. Is this a job for Tricide Neo?|
|A:||I'd wonder if it was a dermatology case, not an infection, perhaps a growth or viral lesion, like warts. Wonder if you could email an image to firstname.lastname@example.org with more description and it will get forwarded to me.|
Doc Johnson - Pondrx.com
|Q:||Am I correct in assuming that this is for goldfish as well as koi? Do you sell injectible antibiotics and supplies as well?|
|A:||This works VERY well on Goldfish as well as Koi. You can mix this up as a spray, hold the goldfish in your very hand, and mist it from a spray bottle filled with Tricide Neo. Mist it thoroughly, including the gills, for two to three minutes, even with breaks in a bowl of tank water for breathers. If the fish is very weak this may be too much handling. If the fish is weak, using a baggie with Tricide Neo works pretty well, but aeration is crucial.|
We don't sell injectible antibiotics.
|Q:||Can I stick a small submersible heater in the cooler that my Tricide Neo is stored in to equalise temp before treatments?|
|A:||Some folks do this, exactly that way. The submersible heater uses electrric wattage in a glass sleeve to heat the solution and will have no deleterious effect on the solution. Aerate it WELL!!!! To heat it up, they just turn the submersible heater "on" an hour or so before they need the solution. When not in use, the solution should be strained (if bloody and full of mucus) through a clean, fish-safe towel, and stored in the fridge.)|
The "baggie method" and the "spray method" (In the guide you get with the Tricide) avoid the 'reuse' of ANY Tricide Neo and can be recommended.
~Dr. Erik Johnson
|Q:||I thought I read that you can use the Tricide-Neo in a spray bottle and apply directly to the fish instead of a dip?|
|A:||Yes, if I were using Tricide Neo for my fish, (and I have) I would recommend sedation in Oil of Cloves (guide included when you buy it at PondRx.com) and then lay the fish on a piece of wet plastic, like a plastic bag. Mix up the Tricide Neo and put it in a spray bottle. Spray one side of the fish, raise the gill covers and spray the gills. Roll the fish over and spray the second side, fins, etc. Raise the gill covers and spray the gills on that side. Keep the fish and the gills moist with misting spray on both sides for a TOTAL of only three minutes maximum (using the spray technique) and then return it to a wake up bath of fresh pond water. After it's completely awake, transfer the fish into the main facilities again. If you put a treated fish into the pond directly, and the pond is small, there may be enough Tricide left on the fish to kill your filter bacteria, so the intermediate rinse is important.|
~ Dr. Erik Johnson
|Q:||How often do I need to do the Tx with Tricide Neo? Is it daily for days like antibiotics or ??? thank you Carl G.|
|A:||Tricide Neo is used as a bath every day or every other day depending upon the severity of the case and your impression of how well the fish will tolerate the handling. For complete details, please also refer to: Tricideneo.com|
|Q:||My fishes' fin tips were eroded after the dip!|
|A:||Answer: This occurs for three possible reasons:|
- Using hot dip.
- Not aerating the dipping vat during use.
- Using fouled dip.
This was never seen during clinical and field-trials with Tricide-Neo but occurs in a small number of consumer cases involving misuse of the product.
|Q:||My Tricide-Neo dip stinks on the third day!|
|A:||Answer: When the solution "fouls" it is due to the breakdown of Koi blood, bodily wastes and mucus which sometimes contaminate the solution. The clear water rinse we recommend helps with this, but depending upon how many fish get through your dip, the life of the dip may be shortened. DO NOT USE stinky Tricide-Neo. You can safely refrigerate the used and unused dip as long as you remember to normalize (equalize) the temperature before use.|
|Q:||My fish died in the dip!|
|A:||Answer: It's IMPORTANT that if a fish is weak, dying, or "on its way out" that you recognize this condition, and understand that handling any weak fish can kill it. In warmer temperatures and when dipping larger fish, aeration is critically important during capture, handling, and during the Tricide-Neo dipping process. If the Tricide-Neo has fouled, it should be discarded and replaced.|
|For more details and answers to other questions, please visit Tricide-Neo.com- Doc Johnson|
|Loved the dip. I put bag in stock tank to get temp correct. With airstone. Kept the dip in styro cooler with airstone going. Had 3 fish with mouthrot - after 2nd dip could really see difference in sores. Dipped 3 days, then every other day 3x. What a great product, and not having to inject was great!- sc|
|I have a 50 Gal aquarium that was shared by by 12 fish of various types. The two biggest are a 6 inch Plecostomus and an 8 inch red-tail catfish. It turns out that Plecko was the aggressor and stated latching onto the Cat and in the process, sucking off the slime coat. This led to some pretty serious looking lesions, which started to become even worse becase I hadn't added salt with my last water change, and when I remembered to check it with my salt meter (another favorite of mine), it read 0.03! The Cat was in obvious distress, so my son and I transfered him into a clean 10 Gal tank, with added salt and started treating him with your Medicated Food, which I had on hand, and with Melafix. After 2 days, I decided to order the Tricide Neo. I treated the Cat for 4 consecutive days, than evey other day for 3 more treatments. He started to look better by day 3 of the dip and now his lesions appear to be completely healed and he's eating and is back to being his very sociable self. I followed the directions that came on the packet of Tricide-Neo but I also followed most of your suggestions, which were extremely helpful. Now, we just have to decide which tank to put him in, since he is NOT going back with the Pleko!- Marcia Liotard|
|This is a GREAT product, and especially easy to use. My 5 inch baby butterfly koi had severe mouth rot and an ulcer on his side. He showed marked improvement after his third dip in Tricide-Neo, and now after his fifth treatment, is showing EXCELLENT PROGRESS. I am using the zip loc bag with air stone method to soak him for 5 minutes everyday for seven days. He is also receiving medi-koi medicated food. Having no experience in treating sick koi, I found this product to be safe, easy and effective. I hope I don't have to, but I would definately use it again if needed! It is evident that this koi is going to make a full recovery, thanks to this miraculous product!!!- Andrea Hulsey|
|Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! This product is great. Tricide-Neo just save 3 precious large orandas and a lion head goldfish. I must have tried 4 different antibiotics when I stumbled on this product. My babies' lesions were looking pretty bad, and I was getting desperate. I ordered this product as a last resort since my babies were already pretty weak. I was amazed how quick it worked! By the 3rd day, the lesions were starting to dry up. I placed the goldfish in a salted tank after the dips. It took about a week of daily dipping and then salted tank--- and now my babies are eating like before and lesions almost gone. Much mahalo.- mdel banco, Hi|